Offizielles Agrar Simulator Supportforum

Hello
In the USA you have to download the Game. . You can change the Language
into english.How big the PC should be, nobody can exactly say it to you.
It's a question of your system. There are PC,s with not a lot of achievement ,
but the Game runs well. Please,send your DxDiag. Then ,we can take a look to
your System.
Heimchen

I also hope this. If you have questions, write here in the forum.
We also have an area, that's called Plauderecke, there we can write
something about themes,which don't belong to the Games,or only a little bit.
The area is, unfortunately, in German. This makes it for you a little bit
difficult.But I'll hope,that you will enjoy the Game.
Heimchen

Just one thing about the system specs. On my pc, the 2011 lags quite a bit from time to time and ofcourse in higher video settings. But the 2012 version runs very smooth this doesn't have anything to do with the fact that I am using a 3 year old machine, but that 2011 uses physx I believe, which isn't supported by ATI hardware, in 2012 they seem to have dropped physx, since it's running very good even at higher resolutions / graphic settings, it runs that good that I can even play the game in highest settings.

The Agrarsimulator 2011 does not support PhysX GPU Accleration.
Its just a "light version" that runs 100% on CPU. So there are no Problems with AMD graphic cards.

OK, but then I wonder how it comes that the new version runs very good in 1920x1080 with medium - high settings and the 2011 version still lags in 1280x800 with all settings to low or switched off.
Besides that, NVidia did put some code into the physx drivers so that this won't even run on ATI even worse if you got an official AGEIA physx adaptor running along an ati graphics card or an nvidia card as a secondary card to run the physx accelleration, which may sound stupid but is possible in windows 7.
If you google for ATI physx you will get all kinds of links talking for hacked physx drivers or how to enable this in some other way.
I don't believe that Nvidia ever made light versions of this driver, except where it would allow to run on an nvidia card without physx gpu accelleration.
Only problem is, there are some drivers out that support physx on ati cards, where nvidia accidentally forgot to disable this and they seem to run physx acceleration faster on ATI GPU's than on Nvidia GPU's without hardware physx support.

But yeah it could be true that this driver will run on cpu alone, if you are lucky enough not to have an ATI GPU. Personally I think this sucks, but NVidia did purchase Physx allowing them to do whatever they please with the future drivers, besides that Ageia never made any 64 bit drivers, so modern computers are forced to run the NVidia drivers or some hacked driver.



Edit: What I am saying here, if you run a physx enabled game on an ATI card (Hardware or software acceleration) you will end up with an almost unplayable game, but this seemed to have solved in 2012 or they use a more ATI friendly physx driver in this version.

Edit2: OK, I partially take my words back, just took fraps for a spin to tell me the actual framerate and in higher resolutions / settings the framerate drops 'till about 7 fps, which ofcourse is very low, but unlike the 2011 version you don't really notice this playing the game, ok it runs a bit slower, but in 2011 it took like atleast 20 seconds to move the mouse across the screen. So anyway there is a huge difference here. One thing though, the program itself seems to only use 1 core in my quad core cpu, so that may probably be the problem for the framerate issue.

hey Trolega! welcome to the fourms! nice to know some other americans are on here personaly, i would either import the disc or direct DL the 2012 deluxe version, but 2011 is fine too. the game is a bit of a PC killer, but if you set your settings right, you wont get too much lag. whatever version you get, would ya want to MP sometime?
NDFarmer

@ Radioman:

There are two Versions of PhysX.
The Version you are tellin about is a feature that only runs on Nvidia Cards. Thats correct.
But if you did not have an Nvidia Card, your Processor get that Effects runnin.
Okay, with an Nvidia card, you get usually more (other) effects, but the game doesn't run faster.


In this case, and for Example by Farming Simulator, the PhysX Libary is so simple, that the PhysX effects can't be runnin on GPU.
Thats why i said "light Version".
You didn't get some other effects with an Nvidia card.
Also the game doesn't run faster with an Nvidia card.

The fact that AS 2012 runs even better then the old version is that the developers massively improved the engine of the game.

So, long text for my bad english...

I know that if there is no hardware support for physx that the cpu will emulate this, but I had 2 ati cards now and both of them always gave problems running physx games, I can give you lots of examples, but I will choose 2 german games as an example, this game ofcourse and crazy machines 2 (which is more of a clone of an old game, the Incredible Machine, if you know that one)
Both run physx and both are capable of running it in software mode, where in this case the cpu will handle all physx calls.
I can run other games in pretty high resolutions and with most settings as high, and some of them are even bigger games than this game, I am not saying this game is inferior to any of the big games, because it isn't, I am talking more about the system requirements.
Now I must say that I cooked my GPU, it's not completely dead, but playing games with it doesn't work anymore, unless you want to see all kinds of tearring lines across the screen. So I had to buy a new graphic card, and this time I choose for an NVidia, a low budget modell (GTX440, with GDDR5 memory instead of the GDDR3 memory, which is installed by default) and now I can run this game with high quality rendering on, without my GPU to cook, infact it hardly reaches temperatures above 40 degrees, unlike the ATI that was going over 100 degrees while playing this game.
I would love to believe you that the game doesn't run faster with an NVidia card, but the truth is, even when my other card was even lower in class, but still the specs could be compared to my new one, ATI 5450 against NVidia GTX440, this is the only thing I changed inside my pc and yes, the game is running alot smoother, not to mention the temperature which stays real low, having said this, I think that physx is the cause of all this, maybe it just doesn't support multi threading when in software emulation mode. But I did find out that this game and also other physx games run smooth with my new gpu, which again isn't a high end card at all, even physx games that would only allow you to select physx once it finds this inside your system hardware, like batman arkham asylum runs smoother at higher resolutions / settings and physx enabled.

Thats what i'm tellin about!

You change your old 5450 Radeon against an GTX 440.
The GTX 440 is more powerful then the old Radeon.

Thats why your game, and others too, runs faster an better.
PhysX isnt the reason for it. Belive me.

Yes, ok but you may consider this, what about Deus Ex: Human Revolution or Dead Island.
I think I can assume that these games need alot higher specs to play than Agrar Simulator 2012, but I ran them in pretty high settings on 1080p on my ATI card, I can't test any higher, since my monitor doesn't support higher resolutions, which isn't weird for a 23 inch monitor.
I know what you are trying to say and yes, the GTX440 is more powerful, especially with DDR5 memory, which is actually a modded version, since the GTX440 normally only accepts DDR3 memory. (somehow it feels strange to talk about DDR memory against german people, but that's what it's called) here you can find the info about my card http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/NVIDI…/ENGT440DI1GD5/
Anyway, I do believe that physx isn't the reason for all the lag in this game, but I do believe that there is a war going on between NVidia and ATI, where NVidia has purchased physx and will probably only allow to run physx in software mode on one core, if you are running an ATI card in your system. I do aggree that the GTX440 is faster than my old ATI card, but not that much faster, I mean if I see the graphs on the NVidia website the GTX440 scores real low, just a little higher than the GTX430, infact it's about the same as the GTX240, except with directx11 support (tesselation does look great in certain games)
I normally build my own pc's, but didn't do that this time, because I needed a new pc real fast about 3 years ago, therefore I am kinda stuck on the fact that I can't install any higher range cards, because they need a larger power supply, but these will come eventually once I need to upgrade my pc again and will build my own pc once more.

You can't compare Games like Deus EX or Dead Island with a Low Budget Simulator like AS or LS or whatever.
These Simulators have a very simple Gameengine that scales not good with Hardware.
I have a relatively good PC, but i can't play these Simulators with a similar Graphic (Details etc.) like i do on Battlefield 3.
Of course, EA has spend Millons of Dollars for their Engine.
If a Developer of a Simulator does exactly this, you can compare with titles like this.

I don't want to compare them, I think the engine in this game is quite good actually, and it doesn't need to run on any big engine, either new or licensed from one of the others.
I tried to say that, and you have to admit this, these games are pretty big when it comes to system requirements, but I can still run them on my old ATI in high res and medium - high settings compared to what I could get in this game, still thinking this is partially because of physx.
Do you mean Farming Simulator with LS??? I have that game too, and that ran without much problems on my old card, but I dislike the basic concepts of that game, like for instance being able to use any field in the game, without having to buy them etc. When you play any simulator you are looking for things that are more real instead of being the owner of a complete town right from the start.

At AS or even LS (Farming Sim) Nvidia PhysX runs always on CPU. So there is no disadvantage to an AMD Card.
You cant run PhysX on an Nvidia Card.

This discussion is going completely off topic, it doesn't matter that physx runs on the NVidia card or not, I was more like talking about NVidia sabotaging ATI with this, I noticed that when I ran AS2012 on my ATI, the CPU Peak got stuck around 28%, now it's running between 55 and 70%. With a quad core processor this gives me the impression that only one core was used, farm2012.dll even reaches up to 50% cpu use while the game is running in the taskbar, which wasn't the case when I still used the ATI, so my guess here is that since there is no main difference between configuration now and 3 days ago, except the graphics card, and the graphic card doesn't have that much of an influence on the number of cores a processor could use, well it can have that influence, but it shouldn't.... I am thinking it is physx.
But I am probably wrong about this, again I don't think that it was my ATI card that was having problems with this game, since other much more cpu intensive games didn't have these problems. It is too bad that I can't test this thoroughly anymore, since my ATI card really died, all it will give me is a windows desktop, but even that with alot of lag. And it's not like I am getting real high results now, but with about medium settings in this game in 1280 x 800 running at around 25 - 30 fps is fine with me, compared to 0 - 4 fps with even lower settings

Can't follow you...

Nvidia sabotages AMD cause the bought Ageia PhysX and use this Physic Engine for their CUDA Products?
Thats nonsense.

You got no disadvantages by usin a AMD card.
I really do not understand whats the problem.

The CPU use is the same, no matter which graphic card you use.
AS still use only one Core of your Quadcore CPU.

If AS uses 50% CPU in my resource monitor or taskmanager, this tells me that it uses atleast 2 cores to the max or all 4, not just 1. Infact it's impossible to register a higher cpu usage than 25% if you use only 1 core in a quad core machine.
This just tells me that AS is capable of using multiple cores and what if this is being handled by the physx driver also.

I mean you are telling that it's nonsense that NVidia is sabotaging ATI with physx, but if you search on google, you will get alot of links to websites with modded physx drivers, that allow you to run physx on your NVidia adapter and running all other 3D on your ATI card, you may think why use 2 different cards from different factories in one machine, this is asking for trouble, but windows 7 has support for this directly in the core of the OS, that's why NVidia made the drivers that they weren't capable of running on their own hardware, when there was also an ATI card in your system, primary or not. Again, this is no nonsense, I am not completely 100% sure if this is still being done, but it was done and basically this is quite normal in the computer industry.

I really don't like this kind of behaviour, that's the main reason why I didn't use NVidia anymore, but my ATI broke down and had to know once and for all if I used a physx card, that I would also get these issues.

I really want to believe you, but I have to admit that if you witnessed the opposite as what you are telling me, it is real hard for me to think the same way as you do, and I work with computers for 31 years now and whether it's in programming / network administration / repairing or using the computer, I found out that it's not always what you think it is and in most cases the impossible seems possible.